![]() ![]() ![]() 4 Division of Gastroenterology and Hepatology, Department of Internal Medicine, Keio University School of Medicine, Tokyo 160-8582, Japan Institute of Health Sciences, Ezaki Glico Co., Ltd., Nishiyodogawa, Osaka 555-8502, Japan.3 Division of Gastroenterology, Department of Internal Medicine, University of Michigan Medical School, Ann Arbor, MI 48109, USA.2 Division of Gastroenterology and Hepatology, Department of Internal Medicine, Keio University School of Medicine, Tokyo 160-8582, Japan.1 Division of Gastroenterology and Hepatology, Department of Internal Medicine, Keio University School of Medicine, Tokyo 160-8582, Japan Research Laboratory, Miyarisan Pharmaceutical Co., Ltd., Tokyo 114-0016, Japan.I have had this dla stuff going round in my head for years, it's wonderful that I have found a place to share this info. In the link to the thread above, I enclosed another link to a paper in which the short bowel patient develped dla after ingestion of probiotics. During a glucose-loading experiment in an adult with SSB (short small bowel) we confirmed that molecular hydrogen was not detectable in a breath test (unpublished data). Because sugar hydrogen breath tests are based on bacterial fermentative production of molecular hydrogen from the sugar, whereas this type of bacteria cannot do so, it is useless to examine overgrowth of lactobacilli or malabsorption of sugars by means of a sugar (lactulose) breath test. The homolactic ones produce lactic acids only from fermentable sugars (not lactulose) and the heterolactic ones produce lactic acids, ethanol and CO2. I cannot access this paper now, but it states that "Lactobacilli can be divided into 2 major groups: homolactic and heterolactic. I have somehow managed to find a paper called "Lactobacilli and Acidosis in Children with Short Small Bowel", which I printed out for myself. Basically I am saying that d-lactic acid is not picked up in routine blood tests, a specific d-lactate assay kit must be used. Have you seen my thread on DLA and CFS? Here is the link. but im not sure if its all the bifido species or select ones. Last question! do ALL bifidobacteria help against d-lactate? i heard bifido ONLY produce l-lactate and not d-lactate and raise the pH levels of the colon which is why it's good. Align was a good one which i will try but my problem is mainly in the small intestine so i need a few lacto strains that work to fight against the lacto overgrowth that i have. I did a search and fond that kefir might be it but it wasn't conclusive. #Lactobacillus overgrowth freeI am looking for a d-lactate free probiotic, does anyone know of any? So i looked up lactobacillus overgrowth and surely, you can have too much lacto acid and other d-lactate producing lacto bacteria overgrowth, and not enough NON D-LACTATE lacto (which is a dysbiosis among lacto species of its own). and i can only imagine there is too much lactic acid going on. anything with lacto strains i get more bloated, acid reflux, heart burn etc. I don't do well on lactobacillus acidolphus at ALL. the GI did say that it does not mean something bacterial is going on and that the intestines and bacteria is very little understood. I would have bet a million dollars on it so imagine my surprise. I am CONVINCED that there is some fermentation or bacterial interaction with my food going on in my small intestine (it's observable and tangible) so i went to get a SIBO test. ![]() I got a stool test, and tried a whole bunch of probiotics and i was always looking for the most potent kinds but i had mixed results. it is very very uncomfortable and painful. it is always bloated with trapped gas in the Small itnestine 24/7 but after i eat it started to fill up all the way to my colon. My gut issues are primarily bloating in the small intestine after eating. This is the only forum i've found other than autism forums that focus on d-lactate levels and connection to CFS. ![]()
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